Well, what's a geeky blog without some crap about Star Trek eh?
So, here we go.
According to Trek (well, specifically, TNG era Trek, and beyond, but it got ret-conned to past Treks too), the transporter/replicators can't create life from scratch (or, revive the dead), because replicating is done at "molecular resolution", and lifeforms are beamed at "quantum resolution".
Bullshit.
Let's break it down, just using episodes, no recourse to non-canon tech manuals.
In the episode "Our Man Bashir", Sisko, Kira, Worf, Dax, and O'Brien emergency beam over from an exploding ship, this somehow futzes with the transporter, and it has some kind of overload/burnout, so their complete patterns are quickly dumped into every scrap of computer memory of Deep Space Nine.
This shuts down the station, except for the holosuite, and causes the 5 crewmembers to re-materialize there via its replicator system.
Now, the holosuite turns the 5 crew members into computer characters within Bashir's secret agent program, because, unable to integrate their quantum neural patterns, it can only integrate their bodies, and with no accessible mind patterns, it slots in character personalities.
By episode's end, the crew members get re-integrated with the U.S.S Defiant's transporter, the DS9 computer core is un-deleted, and all is restored to normal.
All of this merely to justify having an episode of watching the crew play in the holosuite, but at the same time, genuinely put them in jeopardy.
But, it lets the whole cat out of the bag.
Where to start?
Okay, there are several episodes where the subject's pattern is held in the transporter without it being this huge deal of eating a DS9 worth of memory.
Why/how is this?
We're told in as many episodes, that the transporter has something called a pattern buffer, and this is what holds the pattern.
So, the pattern buffer is the mystery gizmo that normally holds the pattern in a normal amount of physical space, and the pattern buffer is accessed/controlled by the computer, so, the pattern buffer is the part of the computer that normally holds a pattern.
And indeed, it's the pattern buffer that fails, and is emptied into the DS9 computer in the aforementioned episode.
So, like a 16 gig MicroSD card equals 4 DVD-Roms, a pattern buffer equals a whole DS9.
Well, 5 buffers, it was 5 patterns.
And we know during the time of this station shut-down, the holosuite worked just fine.
BUT, if it had a pattern buffer, the crew would have come through as themselves, but they didn't, so the holosuite has no pattern buffer.
So, if the holosuite works fine, station malfunction or no, and has no pattern buffer, then its replicator capacity uses store-able patterns.
And the holosuite is essentially a big replicator, so, replicators and holosuites use store-able patterns.
So, molecular patterns, store-able in a reasonable amount of normal (for Trek) computer media, quantum pattern, obscene amount of computer media, OR, a pattern buffer.
Conversely, obscene amount of computer media, or a pattern buffer, quantum.
Normal computer memory, molecular.
Quantum alive, molecular dead.
Buffer alive, not-buffer dead.
Got it?
Good.
Now, let's take a quick stop off at the episode "realm of fear", where, we find out that a transporter subject is processed into a "matter stream", and that this matter stream is what's held in the pattern buffer.
So, the sequenced matter stream carries the pattern, and the pattern buffer is really some sort of tank that holds this matter stream.
So, empty buffer, pattern gone.
Matter beamed, empty buffer.
Got that?
Good.
Okay, now, let's stop off at "second chances".
In this one, we retro-actively discover that William Riker's transporter beam was split, creating two copies, and one copy got left behind on the planet below, and the two transporter twins lead different lives for the past 8 years.
Now, if the matter stream was split, it would have split the matter, and made two midgets, or two globs of incoherent mist, or...something.
But, there was enough matter to integrate both Rikers, so one of the copies had to have been made from recruited matter, probably from the atmosphere of the planet.
So, the pattern part of the beam must have been what was split.
So, a quantum pattern can trace onto recruited matter, and create life.
The other characters don't seem too interested in learning which Riker is made of the original matter, so to them at least, matter doesn't matter, pattern matters, and it's the same pattern, so both can lay claim to being William Riker.
This is re-enforced in the transporter operation that caused the copying.
The atmosphere of the planet split the pattern beam, creating the two pattern/matter beams, the transporter chief of Riker's old ship tried to beam up the second beam to fuse the two together into one Riker, but the atmosphere echoed the beam back down to the surface, leaving the second copy Riker down on the planet.
Well, the attempt to merge the pattern seems to suggest doubt of which Riker was which.
If you had two patterns, and you didn't know which had the "magic identity", in it, merging the two would remove all doubt, wouldn't it?
Whomever had the original "soul", would be living in that final body.
Right?
But, allowing the other beam to echo back, and being perfectly happy with the Riker they did get, would seem to indicate the attitiude was "meh, screw it, we just won't tell him".
What if the second beam had the original Riker's matter, and it didn't re-assemble, but just sprayed apart on the planet below?
Pretty callous way to treat the death of a crewmember.
But...not if pattern matters, and not matter.
So, the attempt to merge must have been for some other reason.
And Geordi tells us, for it's his narration where we learn of the splitting process.
He says essentially "but he didn't NEED the second beam, the one he had on the pad had enough integrity to materialize".
The PATTERN had integrity.
To Trek folk, at least, it's the pattern that matters.
Got that?
Good.
Let's recap.
1. Quantum alive, molecular dead.
Buffer alive, not-buffer dead.
2. Empty buffer, pattern gone.
Matter beamed, empty buffer.
3. Pattern matters, not matter.
Now, going back to "our man Bashir", we have one little end-run around rule 1.
The crew members's quantum and molecular patterns were split, and then re-integrated.
Well, cut out the pit-stop inside DS9's main computer, they could do that directly.
Combine a buffer-stored pattern with a computer-stored pattern, and come out with someone with a past version of their body, and thus healed of medical conditions before the procedure.
And this was done.
In the episode "unnatural selection".
More on this later, though.
But for now, let's add this end-run around rule 1 as two new rules.
1. Quantum alive, molecular dead.
Buffer alive, not-buffer dead.
2. Empty buffer, pattern gone.
Matter beamed, empty buffer.
3. Pattern matters, not matter.
4. Not-buffer can filter buffer.
5. 4 bypasses 1.
But, we also forgot rule 0, what started all this.
0. Quantum mind, molecular body.
After all, this was the core of "our man Bashir", which started this whole thing off, right?
So....
0. Quantum mind, molecular body
1. Quantum alive, molecular dead.
Buffer alive, not-buffer dead.
2. Empty buffer, pattern gone.
Matter beamed, empty buffer.
3. Pattern matters, not matter.
4. Not-buffer can filter buffer.
5. 4 bypasses 1.
Got it?
Good.
Well, now we bring it all together.
The episode "lonely among us".
In this one, an energy lifeform infects itself into the Enterprise-D computer, then finally into Captain Picard, who beams himself off of the ship as pure energy into a nebula where the energy creature originated.
Picard's mind comes back onto the ship as an energy pattern via the ship's computer, and Data runs his energy pattern through his body pattern, and re-integrates him.
Picard only has memories up to the moment he beamed out, and absent the energy creature, barely any of that.
Well, if the pattern restored Picard's previous mental pattern, that must mean, according to rule 0, it was quantum, right?
Nope, cuz of rule 2.
Picard beamed out, his matter, and thus quantum pattern, was gone.
No more body.
Fizzle. Poof. Gone.
Now, according to rule 3, it's acceptable to recruit matter, which they no doubt did.
His original body was thrown away, had to replicate a new one.
But...where did his mind come from?
The energy pattern?
Maybe that was quantum?
But, a quantum pattern gobbles up a whole DS9, and the U.S.S. Enterprise-D is smaller than Ds9, indeed can dock at it.
Okay, 5 patterns ate up a Ds9, let's say the ENT-D can hold 1 pattern.
Well, that'd shut down the ENT-D the way 5 patterns shut down Ds9.
But, Picard's energy/mental pattern didn't do that, the ENT-D functioned just fine.
So, nope, not quantum.
So, where did his mind come from, if the energy/mental pattern wasn't quantum?
Well, if his body pattern was storable, and restored his previous psychological state, and there was no quantum pattern involved, then his store-able, and thus molecular, body pattern had everything it needed to restore his mental pattern,
But, that means his mental pattern that came back to the ship was superfluous.
They could have just goddamned replicated him.
But this scratches off some of the rules.
Rule 0? Gone.
Rule 1? Gone.
Rule 2? Superfluous if 0 and 1 are gone.
Rule 3? That still works, actually.
Rule 4? Superfluous if 0, 1, and 2 are gone.
Rule 5? Ditto 4.
So, let's make rule 3 the new rule 1, and add a new rule 2 that follows from it.
1. Pattern matters, not matter.
2. You can replicate anyone you goddamned want.
BUT, new rule 2 follows from old rules 0, 1, 3,4, and 5 in combination anyway.
And old rule 0, 1, 3 4, and 5 in combination made old rule 2 superfluous anyway.
But really, old rule 3 by itself made old rule 2 superfluous.
So, so much for quantum resolution.
And so much for "our man Bashir".
Okay, I can sense someone maybe saying "wait, what if the energy lifeform in "lonely among us", had some funky quantum energy property that carried along Picard's consciousness"?
Okay, this would be an appeal to some "magic lifeforce", some "soul".
Well, if a conscousness can be quantum copied, ala "second chances", then it's not so magical, is it?
And if it can be stored ala "our man Bashir", then it can be digitally copied.
And if one could digitally run off "souls", then what is their value?
And if a soul is supposedly a vehicle for identity, and a run off neural pattern conveys the same thing, what is a soul FOR?
If it's not for anything, or worth anything, what's the point of it?
And if there's no point to it, what's the point of invoking alien quantum mumbo-jumbo to rescue it?
Okay, one more function of alleged "lifeforce" to beat it to death.
How many fantasy/sf stories have we seen, where someone is drained of "lifeforce", and this causes in them, rapid aging?
Well, this is where we finally get back to "unnatural selection".
Polaski suffers from rapid aging (from a retro-virus, not loss of "lifeforce", but bear with me) and then is restored to youth in the transporter.
Is there any doubt the result of the transporter procedure would be any different if she HAD been drained of "lifeforce"?
If (as I suspect) it wouldn't have been any different, then the transporter can create "lifeforce", and therefore, there is no "lifeforce", because the transporter is just a digital downloader.
If it restored her youth, and she immediately aged back to her previous state of deterioration, for lack of "lifeforce", then this would have a lot of consequences.
One of them being, well, some extra-dimensional connection to some realm where the "lifeforce", is doled out.
And who's doling it out?
And would they dole it out to Riker's transporter twin?
Or, are they slurping off the same well?
If so, shouldn't accelerated age be showing on Riker by the time of Star Trek:Nemesis?
He's not, so he's not lifeforce deficient, and there is no lifeforce.
There was no mumbo-jumbo, no magic, no "lifeforce", Picard was replicated, the transporter can restore life, and this has consequences.
This would immediately put most doctors out of business.
No more Crusher, Pulaski, Bashir, Mcoy, they're all kaput.
Unless they want to take up transporter operation.
But it gets hinkier than that.
In "unnatural selection", they don't in fact use a complete molecular body pattern.
Pulaski is filtered through a healthier version of her DNA.
The healthy version of her that comes out the other end of this no doubt left it's own pattern trace, so, DNA can be extrapolated into a full body pattern.
So, combine this with recruited matter, and that we just killed off quantum, and the transporter can turn DNA into an instant clone!
So, not only can they run off copies, but they can do it with a quadrillionth (or less) of the storage!
Oh, okay, you need a mental pattern too, but since that doesn't need to be quantum, that won't take so much.
We see Spock get a pretty detailed neural scan in sickbay in "Star Trek: The Motion Picture".
And in TOS's "the changeling", Scotty is killed by Nomad, and resurrected by it.
It does so by accessing all computer records on anatomy, biology, chemistry, Scotty's medical records, and his brainwave pattern.
Well, whatever this "brainwave pattern", is, it must be something more sophisticated than what we know of as an EEG, because it restores Scotty's total psychology, so, effectively, it's the same as a full neural pattern, even if the effects representation wasn't as pretty as in TMP.
And, a neural pattern was directly downloaded, and put into a hologram, in Voyager's "lifesigns", and there was no quantum mumbo-jumbo, or storage problems there.
So, all you need to reboot someone back to life, is their DNA and brain patterns, and a medical tricorder reads those lickity-split.
So, people in The Federation should be immortal.
And immortality would have its consequences.
Think of what that would do to war, and thus politics.
Long voyages that would normally be generational would be possible with the original crew.
You could have yourself stored as mind/DNA, the ship runs itself, and boots you back up centuries later.
Or, you could pilot the ship as a simulation within computer memory.
Or, take on a solid hologram body if systems needed repairing.
The Federation could gobble up the galaxy in no time.
Unless of course the Klingons and Romulans found out.
And that gets back into how it all would effect war and politics.
Yeah, in the end, the Trek writers just haven't wanted to let that genie out of the bottle.
Well, the genie is already there by having stupid fuggin' transporters.
And the bottle is gonna break someday.
What are they waiting for?
It's right there waiting to be played with.
Do it.
What else are they writing?
More Dominion War rehashes with new villain races?
Uncork the transporter genie, you pussies!
Dooo eeet!!
I'm bored!!!
Wednesday, February 24, 2010
Star Trek tech: Quantum Resolution is bullshit.
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9 comments:
I am truly in awe at the scope of this blog entry.
My first reaction is "It's only a TV show!"
My second reaction is: trying to make sense out of the contradictory accounts of how the transporter works in Star Trek is akin to finding a solid interpretation of the Bible.
Fact is, we've never been given a coherent explanation of how the transporter works. The best I can deduce is that it confines/immobilizes a material object, scans it, breaks it down into a "matter stream" for transmission, sends it from one place to another, and, within another confinement system, reassembles the stream in the reverse order of the original scan.
Now, because destroying me and building a copy elsewhere offends my sense of self-preservation, I would not feel comfortable using such a system were it not the SAME MATTER going from one place to the other. The notion of a matter stream seems to indicate that this is the case.
In fact, if one takes the ridiculous 'Realm of Fear' into account, the transportee is not only WHOLE during the transport process, but conscious and mobile! If that were the case, one would think Mr. Scott would've been driven mad drifting around the pattern buffer of the Jenolan for seventy-odd years. Short of refusing to recognize that episode, I see no resolution to THIS contradiction.
In any event, while it's clear the pattern buffer is some kind of temporary storage device for matter streams, it seems more like a container than a computer memory. The quantum details of every single particle in the transported object are NOT stored. Obviously, this amount of data would require a GINORMOUS memory and an incredibly long time to acquire.
The DS9 episode where the patterns and the quantum data are split is bull. What mechanism anywhere in the station is DESIGNED to do that?
As for the Riker duplicate, one can be a little coy with quantum technicalities. It may be that a matter stream degrades when transmitted over long distances and energy from the transporter "enhances" the signal-to-noise ratio of the stream by restoring what's lost. Clearly, beaming 96% of someone on board could be disastrous.
Suppose that the matter stream during the initial transport phase were partially reflected (as the episode says). It's stated in the episode that the transporter chief had to use a second confinement beam...presumably both were around the source Riker. The second beam supplied enough energy for the source Riker not be reduced to 50% when the transport failed, while the first beam supplied the power to fill-in the missing 50% on the destination Riker. Shaky, but seems sorta, kinda, within-the-rules-of-itself legit. Each Riker is 50% original/50% reconstituted.
So is either the original? If you accept that the transporter makes up for losses in transport and each has roughly 50% of the original matter stream, then both are.
However, this is not replication. This was an unusual circumstance that the transporter mechanism was able to keep from being an absolute disaster. At no time was Riker "stored" so that copies of him could be stamped out at a later time. As I said before, I believe that the transporter does not actually store all the information in a person, but that in keeping a coherent matter stream it merely preserves it.
It does seem likely that a civilization that can build a transporter will ultimately build a human replicator, though...
Ah, but "offends my sense of self preservation", is an impulse from your brain, and what if your brain is wrong?
I might do a separate blog entry on this, but just think of Spock.
To accept in the new Trek movie, that young Spock, and old Spock, are the same guy, you have to accept that Spock's identity continued all the way to the time old Spock came from.
And to accept that, you have to accept that the old "mindmeld and Genesis Planet", trick in Search For Spock worked.
And to accept that, you have to accept one of three propositions.
That there is such a thing as a "soul", that Vulcans call this a "katra", and that this "katra", being indestructible, carried Spock's identity smoothly from point A, to B, to C.
That a mindmeld, is merely a brain to brain neural download, and that this neural download, carrying Spock's mental pattern, which is the part of him that matters, carried his identity, and therefore Spock would have been Spock no matter what body he was in, including Mcoy, and the only need for his body on Genesis was to put his mind in a familiar house.
Same as the above, except only the mind-body combo of Spock was Spock, therefore, Spock ceased to exist inside Mcoy, and sprung back into existence once the mindmeld to the Spock clone was made.
Well, Kirk's line "..one dead, one alive, and both in pain", seems to indicate Kirk at least thinks Spock's identity lived in Mcoy.
Religious or no, we all went along with that, so, I'm thinking you, like most people, would go with scenario one or two, and not three.
Now, 1 is neat and tidy, but, like me, you're a scoffer for religion, and there are enough materialist brain-swap Trek stories to dismantle the claim anyway.
So, I'm assuming (do correct me if I'm wrong) you must have accepted, (as I have) that Spock's neural pattern, not a mystical soul, passed from Mcoy, to a replicated body, that in a roundabout cumborsome way, ended up being the "replicated from DNA", procedure I described in the original post.
This is what the plot of "seach for Spock", hinges on.
And therefore, some 25 years later, Nimoy's cameo in JJ-Trek hinges on.
So, your brain has a reflex against information-only transport, BUT it also instinctively swallowed a plotline revolved around such.
It's wrong about one of 'em.
Something to think about.
:)
I'm pretty much in agreement that it is a contradiction to simultaneously (1) reject information-only transport and (2) accept Spock's reincarnation.
I agree with you that Spock's "soul" as such is only information stored electrochemically in one brain or another, hence it could be "passed" from one person to another.
And, while this information is ultimately re-encoded on the re-animated body of Spock, we've seen this Spock grow from a child to a very mature adult during the course of TSFS, so the "material" in Spock is not the same "material" that was in the guy who died in the Engine Room.
So, I'd say that Spock post STII is, in fact, a different Spock. He is equivalent in all respects (same biology, same memories, etc.), but his material body shares little continuity of existence with the previous Spock.
And I think that matters.
Because I don't think the "information" (even if it could in principle be separated) is enough to reconstruct the individual identically. The "soul" is like software; for you to say it's the same computer, it has to run on the same hardware.
Since bodies can be duplicated (cloning) and information can be duplicated, it would be possible (in theory) to create a clone of, say, me and to copy my "soul" into the clone.
The clone may then act like me, think like me, remember like me, be able to fool everyone into thinking it's me...but it's not me. I still exist independently. I have no continuity of existence with the clone; I experience nothing he experiences and vice versa. If I die, the clone may live on, but I am dead. Over. Finito.
For me, it isn't good enough that another copy lives on. What lives on has to be continuous with my own existence; otherwise, it's just a copy...and I'm dead.
If you clone me and copy my "soul" to the clone, you wind up with two individuals, not one. Destroying the first whilst creating the second is in not equivalent to "transportation."
It's stuff like this, details that can't be reconciled, that makes me wish Trek had used something like a wormhole/jumpgate kind of thing for a transporter rather than the whole "break stuff down into bits and reassemble at the other end" headache.
Paladin-
Well, I hope you're happy, the investors pulled out of my information-only transporter, now I'm ruined.
You couldn't stop, could ya?
*Weeps*
Nah, just disconnect the dematerialize circuit on the transmit end and--voila!--you can rebrand it as a human replicator!
*imagines the ad*
"Wish you could be in two places at once? NOW YOU CAN! With Dickynoo Industries SoulPorter XL!"
D,
You have to watch this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdxucpPq6Lc
A great take on transporter philosophy.
Sweet!
Thanks!
Already Dingdoo-ed, and rewatched on TV. :D
I mean just now, not beforehand, I hadn't seen this vid before.
Thanks again.
:)
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