Tuesday, August 15, 2023

Happy 20th anniversary, Freddy vs Jason!



-10th. (11th in comments)

Been awhile since I celebrated this.
The 20th seems about right to give it a bump.

My review 20 years out?
Still like it.
The super-saturated color makes it like a comic, and it actually kind of blends with the aesthetic of the 00's pre-MCU Marvel movies. 
Right down to the cheesy 00's metal soundtrack. 
Daredevil, Punisher, Ghost Rider, FvJ, they're all of a weird little time capsule sub-genre.
FvJ is as much an 00's time capsule as the other Freddys are an 80's time capsule.

Oh, the WAY I enjoy it has changed.
I appreciate it with a lemon bite of irony and humor, and some big thick nostalgia goggles, where as a 20-something I un-ironically thought it was in the pantheon of cinematic greatness.
But yeah, I'll definitely go to my grave having a pet-like affection for this weird little movie.

Lessee, what happened in the Freddy/Jason franchises since the 14th anniversary?
Scream Queen came out.
Even though it's doesn't connect to FvJ, it connects to "Never Sleep Again" which covers FvJ.

Um, yeah, that's it.
Freddy & Jason have been frozen in a block of ice since their respective flopped reboots.
I don't know why.
Sony didn't fuck around with Spider-Man, they kept trying.
I dunno what New Line/Warners is waiting for to revive these characters.

The hunger for 80's nostalgia horror is there.
The Chucky series, for Chrissakes!

Maybe they think if they use actual Freddy & Jason, it won't be nostalgic, and ironic, and hip?

Freddy has always been about meta, and self-parody, and dark humor.
The layering of self awareness had started kicking in by the third and fourth entries in the series.
It was on overload in six.

Friday/Jason was goofing in itself by part 4, but really went all out in 10.

And I repeat, the Chucky series, fer Chrissakes!!

Oh, yeah, Robert Englund played Freddy one last time in a dream sequence in an episode of "The Goldbergs".
Well, New Line??!!?!?
WELL?!?!!?
Didn't Adam Goldberg having to pay a fee for Freddy to cross into ABC/Disney territory indicate some fucking interest?!!?
No!?!?

So frustrating.

Well, I've got the existing flicks, including this one, and my memories.
Just woulda liked a Freddy 8, or Jason 13 before I croak.

Especially with superhero media granting all our nostalgia wishes with "No Way Home" "Multiverse Of Madness" Deadpool 3, "Crisis On Infinite Earths" "The Flash" etc, etc.
They get it!!

And I double repeat, the Chucky series, fer Chrissakes!!

Take the goddamned hint!!!
What do the suits need to see??

Ah, well.
Happy birthday, FvJ.
You come from a time when horror fans dreams came true, and faith and perseverance were rewarded.
Who knows if/when that time will come again?


3 comments:

B. D. said...

I like the final fight between the two of them enough to the point where I can say I basically liked the movie. "No, no, no AUUUUUUWWWWWW NOOOHHHHH!!!!" I like it more than any actual Freddy or Jason movie, so there's that.

I really feel something good could have been done with Jackie Earle Haley's Freddy Kruger but when I watched the reboot I noticed that Haley's scenes before he gets torched were far better than his scenes as the evil Freddy. I really liked that whole explanation of his back story in that one.

Diacanu said...


RE: FvJ.

Indeed. Jason is the best he's ever been, or ever will be in that.
I collected the Jason movies to prepare, in case I need homework, and...I don't need 'em, and don't care if I ever see 'em again.
I'm a total Freddy guy.
And even I can live without part 5, or the remake just fine.
And on that note....


Re: Remake.
Pedo-Freddy?
Yeah, that was creepy as fuck. They could have explored it better.
Not graphically, but just in how it fucked with the victims.
Instead of it being amnesia, and then a shock reveal.
But...to put it as nicely as possible, I don't think those actors (excluding Haley) were up to the task.

That's actually in the backstory of classic-Freddy, but Wes Craven cut it out, because there was a big sex-abuse news story that dropped when they were in production, and he didn't want to look like he was exploiting it.

Freddy did morph into a pedo-dad of a victim in part 6 though.
So, they got around to it in the old franchise.

Yeah, I've said it before; none of my complaints about that movie stem from Haley, or the directing, and all in the good-guy acting and the overall writing.


B. D. said...

Some of the weird stuff in the fourth "Friday The 13th" movie is worth watching (Crispin Glover's retarded dance is a funny bit), and I always laughed at the godawful acting and decapitation scene involving the mom in the first one...and aside from that, and F vs. J, you can flush the rest of Jason down the fuckin' toilet.
I'd rather watch Jason's appearance on Arsenio Hall where he didn't say anything, than the later Jason movies!!!! (And Jason's appearance on Arsenio Hall was only funny for about a minute!)

What stuck with me was having Freddy (seem to) be this poor nice guy who was kind to children because that's all he had, "living in the basement of the school," etc. etc....I dunno. Those scenes were way better than the rest of it.
The remake was directed by the guy who directed Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video, I recall reading, and he recycled a lot of lighting schemes and shit from that.

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